FAQs – Frequently Asked Questions about LLB, Bar Exam, LLM and other Legal topics

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Q : Where can one see the list of Indian universities affiliated to the Bar Council of India as of November ?

Ans :

Just a clarification . . .

Universities & Colleges are not ‘affiliated’ to the Bar Council of India. It is just that their their LLB programs (5 year / 3 year) are ‘recognized’ by the BCI.

Also, while BCI may at some level advise on the syllabus for LLM programs, they don’t actually get involved much.

The BCI is primarily concerned with LLB programs.

Background . . .

BCI is the body which regulates the Legal profession in India. An entry into the legal profession requires a Full-time LLB degree. Hence, BCI gets involved in prescribing the syllabus and setting the standards in terms of how the courses will be conducted.

Colleges which offer LLB programs are either

  • stand-alone ‘Deemed to be Universities’ – e.g. The NLUs
  • regular colleges affiliated to any University – e.g. Karnataka Law University
  • faculties of law / university law colleges – e.g. ULC Bengaluru

Can a college have an LLB program that is not recognized by the BCI ?

Yes. Since BCI does not recognize part-time or distance LLBs, such courses offered by any any college are not recognized by the BCI.

These degrees may still be UGC recognized and useful as an additional qualification or as a base for pursuing LLM / PhD etc; but they are not ‘Professional’ degrees.

A professional LLB degree is what enables you to practice as an advocate in India.

List of colleges / Universities . . .

If you Google or check around on the BCI website; or even the Gujarat Bar Council website, you will find a PDF document which has a long list of colleges.

The list is old, but it is a good starting point.

If you are using the list to decide on a college to join, do reconfirm with the college that they are still a BCI approved / recognized

 


Q : What is the difference between a serial number and registration number? Can anyone explain me with an example?

Ans :

An example . . .

When a car is manufactured, it comes with a Serial number.

If there were thousand cars of the same model that were made by the company, they will have the serial numbers from 0001 to 1000

10 of the cars where used for crash testing.

10 were used as exhibition cars.

10 were given to the R & D department for research.

10 cars were written off / scrapped due to damage in transit.

So, only 960 cars were eventually sent to the dealers for sale.

The customers who purchased these cars got them registered in their names at various RTOs (DMVs).

Though the cars had a sequential serial number, they ended having different registration numbers.

Even though cars with serial numbers 50 – 100 were produced first, they were painted bright yellow color, which was not a fast moving color. Cars 101 – 150 were plain white and sold quite fast – so, many cars from the 101 – 150 series got registered first and hence there was no exact correlation between Serial numbers and Registration numbers.

A more simpler example . . .

A college started selling ‘registration forms’ for an entrance exam.

The college printed and sold 1000 forms, which had a sequential ‘Serial number’ from 0001 to 1000

However, only 75% of the students who bought the forms eventually submitted them. So, there were only 750 registration numbers.

 


Q : How is the placement at NLUs for LLM students?

Ans :

This is adapted from my recent answer to a similar question.

The answer below is specifically about NLSIU Bengaluru; but the situation will be similar in most of the top NLUs.

You can go to the NLUs website and check the UG and PG placement brochures and make a similar analysis.

The actual placement packages for LLM are not disclosed by NLSIU, but you can ‘guesstimate’.

Considering that the LLM candidates will usually have more experience + the additional educational qualification; there will be a wider variation in the LLM placement packages as compared to the LLB packages.

And not all LLM candidates will opt for placements.

  • Some would prefer to study for the UGC NET or other exams.
  • Some would prefer to prepare for the Judiciary and other exams.
  • Some would start their own practice.
  • Some would take up opportunities outside the college placement process.

When we look at the 2016–17 LLM placement details for NLSIU, the list of companies, LPOs and legal firms is as given below in this answer.

A majority of them are the same firms which recruit from the LLB classes of NLSIU.

The median pay package mentioned for NLSIU LLB placements is around Rs 14.5 lakh PA; so the LLM placements will also be in a similar range, if not marginally higher.

The NLSIU LLM students also do their internship / vacation schemes in a variety of firms; and some of them can convert their internship into jobs after graduation.

List of firms who have recruited from NLSIU LLM in the past (As per the 2016–17 brochure :

  • Amarchand & Mangaldas & Suresh A. Shroff & Co.
  • Anand & Anand Advocates
  • AZB & Partners
  • Bajaj Allianz
  • Bhasin & Co.
  • Clifford Chance
  • Companies & LPOs
  • Desai & Dewanji
  • DLF Limited
  • DSK Legal
  • Dua Associates
  • Edelweiss Corporate
  • Exchange Credit Guarantee Corporation
  • Fox Mandal Little & Co.
  • HAL, Bangalore
  • IBM
  • KNM & Partners
  • KPMG LLP
  • Krishnamurthy & Co
  • Larsen & Tourbo Infrastructure
  • Legasis Service Pvt. Ltd.
  • Lex Orbis Intellectual Property
  • MCX Stock Exchange Ltd
  • Microsoft Corporation
  • Pangea
  • Power Grid Corporation of India Ltd.
  • Quistex
  • Reliance Power Ltd.
  • SBI Life Insurance
  • SEBI
  • Tata Motors

 


Q : If the Supreme Court has the power to repeal any law made by the Parliament, then does the due process of law in India have any significance?

Ans :

The Constitution is the ultimate ‘Law’ . . .

The Indian Government consists of three main components – the Legislative, Executive, Judiciary.

– The Legislative creates Laws.
– The Judiciary is supposed to interpret and enable implementation of laws.
– The Executive actually implements the laws.

The roles and remits of the three arms are quite clearly demarcated. However, there is scope for a certain amount of overlap.

There is also a ‘maker-checker’ kind of a concept built into the system. e.g. When the Legislative makes a law, the Judiciary can question it’s constitutional validity or the Executive can ask for changes based on the implementation challenges..

The power to make laws is given to the Legislative by the Constitution of India; and as long as any law is within the prescribed limits, the Supreme Court cannot repeal it.

If a new law is passed or an existing law is amended by the Legislative, the Judiciary can review the same to ascertain its legality & constitutional validity. This is called Judicial Review.

For example, till recently, Adultery was a criminal offence under IPC Section 497. However, only the Man could be punished, even if the adulterous relationship was initiated by the woman.

Under Section 497 a husband could prosecute his wife’s lover. However, a similar right is not conferred on a wife to prosecute a woman with whom her husband has committed adultery.

This situation goes against the basic tenets of justice and equality. So, when a PIL was filed in the Supreme Court, it struck down IPC Section 497 as being unconstitutional.

So, the Supreme court cannot arbitrarily repeal any laws. Only if the law is deemed to be unconstitutional, it can be repealed.

The second line of defense . . .

The Constitution has been and can still be amended. So what happens if the Legislative tries to amend the Constitution itself, just to accommodate a currently unconstitutional law ?

Something like “If you can’t play within the rules, change the rules !

This is where the Doctrine of Basic Structure comes into play. Whereby, any amendment to the Constitution cannot change / overwrite the basic structure of the Constitution.

Based on previous cases, there is a list of attributes that are considered to be the ‘Basic’ tenets of the constitution. (The list below is from Wikipedia)

  • Supremacy of the Constitution
  • Rule of law
  • The principle of Separation of Powers
  • The objectives specified in the Preamble to the Constitution
  • Judicial Review
  • Articles 32 and 226
  • Federalism (including financial liberty of states under Articles 282 and 293)
  • Secularism
  • The Sovereign, Democratic, Republican structure
  • Freedom and dignity of the individual
  • Unity and integrity of the Nation
  • The principle of equality, not every feature of equality, but the quintessence of equal justice;
  • The \”essence\” of other Fundamental Rights in Part III
  • The concept of social and economic justice — to build a Welfare State: Part IV in toto
  • The balance between Fundamental Rights and Directive Principles
  • The Parliamentary system of government
  • The principle of free and fair elections
  • Limitations upon the amending power conferred by Article 368
  • Independence of the Judiciary
  • Effective access to justice
  • Powers of the Supreme Court under Articles 32, 136, 141, 142
  • Legislation seeking to nullify the awards made in exercise of the judicial power of the State by Arbitration Tribunals constituted under an Act[8]
  • Welfare state

** The list above is from the Wikipedia

 


Q : Can an MBA and an LLB be done together?

Ans :

Depends on the Country you are referring to . . .

In India, studying ‘Law’ refers to taking up the LLB degree; which can be a dual degree 5 year program (after +2 : under grad course) or a 3 year program after a prior graduation in any field.

I am not aware of any program in India that combines MBA with LLB. There are BA / BCom / BBA & even a B Tech + LLB, but there is no MBA + LLB being offered anywhere in India.

Coming to the LLB program, BCI rules are quite clear in stating that it has to be a full-time course and the student should meet the minimum attendance criteria (usually 70%) ; so doing two full-time programs LLB + MBA would be quite a bit of a challenge – unless you figure out a way to juggle the timings / classes etc.

If the MBA is a distance education program; you should be able to manage it with your LLB. (Quite a few people do take up distance MBA or some other courses like CS / CFA etc. which do not require them to attend classes.)

What about the work load?

A normal student putting in a little bit of extra effort should be able to manage the two programs quite easily.

The challenge may be in case of logistical / calendar issues; whereby there is a clash in the exam schedules.

Both these programs can be relatively heavy in terms of assignments to write, books to study etc. So, if you do taken them up, you need work on your time-management skills.

 


Q : What should I do to start my law career? I completed B.Tech.

Ans :

You mention that you have completed your B.Tech. However, to become a Lawyer & practice as an Advocate, you need to have a BCI approved LLB degree (3 year or 5 year).

As of today, 14th Nov , there is no upper age limit for taking up LLB.

  • The minimum academic eligibility for a 5 year LLB is 12th
  • The minimum academic eligibility for a 3 year LLB is a Graduation

Since LLB is a ‘Higher Degree’ of sorts, the requirement for a LLB is that the student should have another Bachelors degree. So the 5 year LLB (after +2) is a dual degree program – BA LLB / BBA LLB / BCom LLB etc.

The three year LLB needs the candidates to have a Bachelors degree (any Bachelors degree) before taking up the LLB.

In India, there are three ways to taking up an LLB course . . .

[1] Without any entrance exam (3 year / 5 year) – There are many tier-3 and some tier-2 Law Colleges across India, where admission is done on a first-come-first-admitted basis.

No entrance exam. Just meet the minimum criteria in terms of your previous academics and pay the fees.

These are proper colleges, recognized by the Bar Council and have 3 year & 5 year LLB courses, affiliated to various Universities.

They normally will not have any placement process and the other facilities also are quite basic.

But, you will get a proper LLB degree after completing the course.

[2] With entrance exam (3 year / 5 year) – there are tier 2 colleges that have their own entrance exam and in some states there is a common entrance exam for Law Courses across many participating colleges – tier 2 & 3.

For example, the Andhra Pradesh – AP LAWCET, Telangana – TS LAWCET, Kerala CEE , DU Law entrance exam etc.

Bulk of the seats are filled through the exams, but there will usually be a ‘Management quota’ of seats with higher fees in private colleges that participate in these common entrance process.

[3] Through CLAT (5 year only) – CLAT is the common entrance exam for the National Law Schools / National Law Universities across India.

These tier 1 institutes have placement process, superb facilities and the competition for getting admission is also quite tough.

Note : NLU Delhi and HPNLU Shimla do not participate in the CLAT as they have their own separate entrance exams.

 


Q : What is brokarage charges by law?

Ans :

Depends . . .

Since there are no additional details in the question, this is a generic answer.

Brokerage in certain formal sectors e.g. Financial services is regulated and limited to a specific amount or percentage by some applicable law or as notified by some agency. (SEBI / IRDA / RBI etc.)

Brokerage in the informal sector – like Real-estate deals; is not formally fixed. For example, Brokerage charged by house rental agencies / agents can be anywhere from a few 100’s to one month rent.

When I was in Chennai, initially I had to use the ‘Company suggested’ broker who charged me INR 25k for a house with a 25k PM rent.

Later, when I moved to a different house closer to office; I took a house for INR 20k PM and I paid only INR 5k as brokerage to the agent who found the house.

 


Q : How do I get an admission at Gujarat National Law University?

Ans :

I am reusing part of my answer from another question . . .

GNLU Gandhinagar is one of the National Law Universities that admits students though the CLAT – Common Law Admissions Test for both UG and PG.

Once the official details are published, you should take up the CLAT 2019 and apply for all the Institutions that use CLAT scores.

Rest of the answer is about LLB admissions in general :

In India, there are three ways to taking up an LLB course . . .

[1] Without any entrance exam (3 year / 5 year) – There are many tier-3 and some tier-2 Law Colleges across India, where admission is done on a first-come-first-admitted basis.

No entrance exam. Just meet the minimum criteria in terms of your previous academics and pay the fees.

These are proper colleges, recognized by the Bar Council and have 3 year & 5 year LLB courses, affiliated to various Universities.

They normally will not have any placement process and the other facilities also are quite basic.

But, you will get a proper LLB degree after completing the course.

[2] With entrance exam (3 year / 5 year) – there are tier 2 colleges that have their own entrance exam and in some states there is a common entrance exam for Law Courses across many participating colleges – tier 2 & 3.

For example, the Andhra Pradesh – AP LAWCET, Telangana – TS LAWCET, Kerala CEE , DU Law entrance exam etc.

Bulk of the seats are filled through the exams, but there will usually be a ‘Management quota’ of seats with higher fees in private colleges that participate in these common entrance process.

[3] Through CLAT (5 year only) – CLAT is the common entrance exam for the National Law Schools / National Law Universities across India.

These tier 1 institutes have placement process, superb facilities and the competition for getting admission is also quite tough.

Note : NLU Delhi and HPNLU Shimla do not participate in the CLAT as they have their own separate entrance exams.

 


Q : Is it possible to appear for the NET exams in two different subjects in December as there are different timings?

Ans :

Theoretically it may be possible, but practically NOT RECOMMENDED

Theoretically speaking – AFAIK, nothing in the rules expressly prohibits a person from appearing for the NET in multiple subjects (If the other eligibility criteria are fulfilled).

To qualify, the person has to appear for both paper 1 & paper 2 for the subject and score the basic eligibility marks; and from among the candidates who are eligible, the top 6% are declared as UGC NET qualified.

However, a registration for UGC NET is supposed to be for both Paper 1 & Paper 2 -simultaneously.

So, if I want to take the UGC NET in Law & in Management, I will have to register for both (if the system allows) and I will have to take Paper 1 & Paper 2 for both subjects separately.

Though the Paper 1 may be common for all the subjects, I still have to take it twice – since when the results / scores are tabulated, they are done on the basis of your register number.

Also, I am not sure if the system will allow dual registrations – since the email ID and phone numbers (and other details) will show up as duplicate and the system may not allow you to use the same details for two registrations in the same attempt.

Though the rules may be ambiguous, the same rules may be used to declare you as ineligible for both subjects due to duplicate registrations etc.

Recommended approach

The UGC NET will be held every 6 months. So why not clear one subject in Dec and the other subject in June 2019 ?

That way, you will be well prepared and have a better chance of scoring within the top 6%.

 


Q : Can I do a CPA after an LLB?

Ans :

If your basic degree is BCom or you have a MBA before / after your LLB, yes you can.

Even otherwise there are workarounds to meet the minimum eligibility criteria.

The CPA is governed by various US state rules and regulations and the eligibility criteria also varies, so you need to either do the research yourself or go through one of the guiding agencies which specialize in guiding students for CPA exams. (They can be relatively expensive)

Depending on the specific state, they require a Bachelor’s degree or higher with at least 120 credit hours to be exam eligible. Most states do, however, require 150 credit hours to become eligible.

Holders of Indian Bachelors degrees will usually meet the hours criteria. However, the stumbling block comes in the next point.

The other requirement is that in your Bachelors / Masters (or PG) degree, you should have had at least 24 semester hours in accounting including coverage of each of the following subjects:

  • Financial Accounting
  • Auditing
  • Taxation

BCom, MBA finance and students from some other streams can usually show one or more of these subjects in their Grad / Post Grad courses.

However, there might be gaps – for example, you may not have enough credit hours in Auditing or in taxation.

Here, the aspirants can enroll in some of the US based distance education / accredited online college for Certification Courses to fill in the gaps and acquire the additional semester hours.

Should you go through a CPA coaching / guidance agency ?

There are some companies which specialize in coaching / guiding students for CPA exams. Some of the good ones are relatively expensive. So get a clear understanding of what they are offering and shop around a bit before finalizing.

Ideally, they should :

  • Be able to assess your current qualifications and guide you on which state of the US you should register for the exam
  • Identify the gaps and guide you on plugging them – by suggesting the colleges / courses you can take up the certification exams
  • Provide you with the detailed study material for the CPA exam, based on the latest syllabus
  • Conduct or organize classes to cover the basic syllabus
  • Help with the scheduling and guide you on the exam logistics – where to take your exams? when to plan your travel? where to stay? etc. (If they have a sizable batch of students, they can do some bulk bookings to save on travel and stay costs.)

However,

  • if you already meet the eligibility criteria and
  • you anyways stay / keep traveling to the US and
  • you have done the research required on the study material etc.

you can go through the process yourself.

Important : What I have written here is just a basic outline. You should Google around a little and get the latest & updated information from various websites that specifically deal with CPA qualification.

 


Q : Is the CTET compulsory after the UGC NET exam?

Ans :

If you want to teach in a School, Yes.

Clearing the NET / SET exams makes you qualified for Assistant Professor roles in colleges / Universities.

Clearing the CTET / TET exams makes you qualified for Teacher jobs for Classes I to VIII in various schools.

This is a frequently asked question – whether persons clearing the NET get an automatic waiver from having to take the CTET / TET?

No, both these sets of exams are mutually exclusive and even a NET / SET qualified person has to clear the CTET / TET to apply for teacher roles.

  • The CTET / TET come under the RTE Act 2009; basis notifications which prescribe the eligibility of Teachers for KVS, NVS, Schools owned and managed by the State Government/local bodies and Aided schools.
  • The NET / SET are regulated by the UGC.

So both these sets of exams are governed by different laws.

 


Q : What is the minimum percentage required in UGC NET to get JRF?

Ans :

Reusing my answer from a similar question.

Marks don’t matter . . . as long as you are in the top 6% of eligible candidates in the specific subject

With the current rules, 6% of the eligible candidates in the UGC NET exam are declared as ‘Qualified’.

All candidates who appear for both the papers and score 40% (35% for reserved categories) or more in aggregate in both the papers are considered to be ‘eligible’ to be qualified.

So, your objective is not only to score any specific target marks, it is more realistically to be in the top 6% of the candidates attempting the exam.

If you are 30 years or less – you will qualify for JRF + Asst. Prof; if you are 31 years or older as on the specified date, you will be eligible for Asst. Prof qualification only.**

** There are age and qualification relaxations for various special categories / reserved categories.

While there will be a trend in terms of the theoretical ‘cut-off’ marks, there are no actual cut-off marks for the UGC NET.

The ‘cut-off’ marks as such keep changing every year depending on the complexity of the paper and the variations in the candidates who appear. For example, if the paper is relatively complex, it will be so for all the candidates – so the overall scores will go down.

The cut-off marks will also change between subject to subject.

 


Q : Which law programme is better, only an LLB after graduation or a 5-year program?

Ans :

Copy-pasting my answer from a couple of other questions with a little modification.

I have used BA as an example of a basic graduation. This is applicable for any 3 year graduation – BSc/BCom/BBA.

To evaluate between a 3 year LLB after graduation and a 5 year LLB :

Let us look at the question from a time point of view.

  • BA degree is a 3 year program
  • LLB degree is a 3 year program

So if you complete your BA first and then take take up LLB, you will have spent 6 years to obtain your BA + LLB.

An integrated dual-degree 5 year LLB program will give you a BCom / BBA / BA + LLB – so you save one year.

Let us look at the question from a career plan point of view.

If your aspiration is to ultimately pursue a law degree, it makes sense to enroll in a integrated BA LLB program.

But remember :
– It is a five year commitment, sometimes life happens, plans change etc.
– Then there is a risk of not getting any degree – Depending on the College / University rules, you may not get even a BA degree if you decide to opt-out midway.

If you are not sure of your long term career plans, you should complete your BA first and then decide on a MBA / LLB at a later date.

Let us look at the question from an employment prospects point of view

If you intend to pursue a BA + LLB, i.e. an integrated five year course, the National Law Schools (National Law Universities) score above regular Universities in terms of campus placements and corporate career opportunities.

The best law firms from across India come to recruit from the NLU campuses; whereas graduates from other Universities will not have the same advantage.

A 5 year LLB graduate from a regular University will be treated by recruiters as on par with a 3 year LLB graduate from same / similar Universities.

[* Some University Law Colleges do have campus placements, but they typically do not attract the Tier-1 law firms]

Bottom-line : The BA or BA + LLB decision really depends on your long term career aspirations and personal preference.

BA+LLB saves you one year, but it requires a five year commitment.

Completing a BA first will give you an opportunity to choose between MBA / LLB / taking up employment after graduation.

If BA+LLB is your decision, aim for the National Law Schools and the Top colleges in India to get the maximum ROI from your degree from an employment perspective.

If independent practice is your goal, it doesn’t matter where and how you complete your LLB. You PR management, contacts and business development skills will be the key to success.

 


Q : Which law programme is better, only an LLB after graduation or a 5-year program?

Ans :

Copy-pasting my answer from another question with a little modification . . .

I have used BA as an example of a basic graduation. This is applicable for any 3 year graduation – BSc/BCom/BBA. For a 4 year degree, add one more year to the calculations.

To evaluate between a 3 year LLB and a 5 year LLB :

Let us look at the question from a time point of view.

  • BA degree is a 3 year program
  • LLB degree is a 3 year program

So if you complete your BA first and then take take up LLB, you will have spent 6 years to obtain your BA + LLB.

An integrated dual-degree 5 year LLB program will give you a BCom / BBA / BA + LLB – so you save one year.

Let us look at the question from a career plan point of view.

If your aspiration is to ultimately pursue a law degree, it makes sense to enrol in a integrated BA LLB program.

But remember :
– It is a five year commitment, sometimes life happens, plans change etc.
– Then there is a risk of not getting any degree – Depending on the College / University rules, you may not get even a BA degree if you decide to opt-out midway.

If you are not sure of your long term career plans, you should complete your BA first and then decide on a MBA / LLB at a later date.

Let us look at the question from an employment prospects point of view

If you intend to pursue a BA + LLB, i.e. an integrated five year course, the National Law Schools (National Law Universities) score above regular Universities in terms of campus placements and corporate career opportunities.

The best law firms from across India come to recruit from the NLU campuses; whereas graduates from other Universities will not have the same advantage.

A 5 year LLB graduate from a regular University will be treated by recruiters as on par with a 3 year LLB graduate from same / similar Universities.

[* Some University Law Colleges do have campus placements, but they typically do not attract the Tier-1 law firms]

Bottom-line : The BA or BA + LLB decision really depends on your long term career aspirations and personal preference.

BA+LLB saves you one year, but it requires a five year commitment.

Completing a BA first will give you an opportunity to choose between MBA / LLB / taking up employment after graduation.

If BA+LLB is your decision, aim for the National Law Schools and the Top colleges in India to get the maximum ROI from your degree from an employment perspective.

If independent practice is your goal, it doesn’t matter where and how you complete your LLB. You PR management, contacts and business development skills will be the key to success.

 


Q : How many marks should I get to clear the JRF in itself?

Ans :

Marks don’t matter . . . as long as you are in the top 6% of eligible candidates in the specific subject

With the current rules, 6% of the eligible candidates in the UGC NET exam are declared as ‘Qualified’.

All candidates who appear for both the papers and score 40% (35% for reserved categories) or more in aggregate in both the papers are considered to be ‘eligible’ to be qualified.

So, your objective is not only to score any specific target marks, it is more realistically to be in the top 6% of the candidates attempting the exam.

If you are 30 years or less – you will qualify for JRF + Asst. Prof; if you are 31 years or older as on the specified date, you will be eligible for Asst. Prof qualification only.**

** There are age and qualification relaxations for various special categories / reserved categories.

While there will be a trend in terms of the theoretical ‘cut-off’ marks, there are no actual cut-off marks for the UGC NET.

The ‘cut-off’ marks as such keep changing every year depending on the complexity of the paper and the variations in the candidates who appear. For example, if the paper is relatively complex, it will be so for all the candidates – so the overall scores will go down.

 


Q : Why is the new LLP registration suspended by the government of India? When will it resume?

Ans :

The registration should have resumed since 2nd week of Oct . Please check . . .

IIRC, the issue was not with LLP registrations, but with the DIN/DPIN numbers required for the Partners in the LLP.

The reason for the stoppage was something like this :

  1. A DIN/DPIN number is required for each of the Partners & Directors in LLP & Company registrations
  2. If the Partners already had a DIN/DPIN, they could fill in the forms and complete the LLP registration
  3. For issue of new DIN/DPIN for Companies, the ‘SPICe’ form needed to be filled
  4. However, the SPICe form only had options for people trying to register a new Company and not a LLP
  5. There was nothing like the SPICe form for LLPs
  6. The old stand-alone forms for DIN/DPIN were not being accepted
  7. The new DIR3 form for DIN/DPIN would work only if a company / LLP already exists and wants to add new partners
  8. So, technically, they (MCA) changed the process and mandated new forms, without thinking about all the possibilities and without issuing the updated forms

This confusion resulted in stoppage of new LLP registrations – specifically where the partners did not have existing DIN/DPIN numbers.

Since Oct , a new form ‘FiLLiP’ – Form for Incorporation of Limited Liability Partnership has been released through which DINs/DPINs gets issued to the proposed designated partners/nominee of body corporate designated partners who do not have a valid DIN/DPIN. (Maximum 2 designated partners can get DPINs like this)

So, the LLP registration process has restarted for all LLPs.

Note: If the LLP needs to have three or more partners, where all the three or more Partners need a new DIN/DPIN, looks like like the process will be to :

  • First use the FILLIP form for initiating the registration of the LLP with two Partners (Who will get their DIN/DPIN also issued simultaneously through the same form)
  • and then using the DIR3 form for getting DIN/DPIN numbers for other partners who don’t have a DIN/DPIN (DIR3 forms need details & consent of an existing LLP / Company)
  • Adding all the new Partners into the LLP once the DIN/DPIN numbers are available for everybody

This seems to be a bureaucratic issue, where someone is assuming that LLPs will have only two partners and making it needlessly complicated for registering LLPs with three or more partners.

 


Q : We have applied for the LLP registration via business solutions, but they are taking too long and the LLP name status is in reserved. Can we change this to a new business solution for a further process?

Ans :

Yes you can . . . but . . .

Check and reconfirm the reasons for the delay.

  1. Is there something pending from your side ? (You can fix it)
  2. Is the delay due to any issues with the MCA ? (Out of your or the service provider’s control)
  3. Is there a process / people issue with the current service provider ? (Service provider needs to fix this)

If the reason for the delay is a process / people issue with the current service provider, you can go with a new provider.

The LLP name registration / reservation will have been initiated / done in your name with the documents & details you have provided; so the current service provider cannot block / sit on it for too long – you can take control of the registration process.

However, since you have already paid for it and the process it already initiated; work out a viable deadline with the current provider and push things through.

Moving to a new provider can be done, but that should be your last resort.

The reason I recommend getting things sorted through the current provider is because if they have used some shortcuts like using their own email IDs / phone numbers for the registration processes, taking control of the process will be painful.

(Since email IDs / OTPs etc. are to be confirmed during the registration process, service providers may often use their own details for completing the process. This happened with my Father. His old auditor had used his own email ID & phone numbers in the IT portal . When I took over his tax filings, I needed to jump through a lot of hoops to get everything reset and be able to get access.)

Note : Over the past few months in , there have been some very inordinately long delays in LLP registration due to MCA’s own confusion about the DIN/DPIN forms and the process was stopped for new LLPs where the partners required new DIN/DPIN.

They stopped accepting the old version of the forms, while not releasing the new forms for DIN/DPIN.

If your service provider is citing the DIN/DPIN related issue as the reason for the delay – that is a fact.

 


Q : Can an ancestral property be claimed by the father’s nephew (भांजा) after the death of the father’s sister in India?

Ans :

Depends on various factors, including :

  • the benefactor’s (original owner’s) religion
  • whether there is a valid will / the benefactor died intestate (without a will)
  • the presence / absence of other possible claimants / heirs to the property
  • the source of the original property (self acquired by the benefactor / ancestral inherited)

In general, if the deceased person was a Hindu and died intestate (without a will), the property will go be inherited in the following order of priority :

If the deceased person was a Male :

Class I heirs will share it among themselves – i.e. sons, daughters, widows, mothers, sons of a pre-deceased son, widows of a pre-deceased son, sons of any pre-deceased sons of a predeceased son, and widows of a pre-deceased son of a predeceased son.

In the absence of class I heirs, the property can go to the Class II heirs in the following order of priority

  1. Father
  2. Son’s / daughter’s son
  3. Son’s / daughter’s daughter
  4. Brother
  5. Sister
  6. Daughter’s / son’s son
  7. Daughter’s / son’s daughter
  8. Daughter’s / daughter’s son
  9. Daughter’s /daughter’s daughter
  10. Brother’s son
  11. Sister’s son
  12. Brother’s daughter

If the deceased person (intestate) was a female, the priority of claim over the property will be :

  1. sons and daughters (including the children of any pre-deceased son or daughter) and the husband
  2. heirs of the husband. (in the same class I & II order of precedence)
  3. father and mother
  4. heirs of the father (in the same class I & II order of precedence)
  5. heirs of the mother (in the same class I & II order of precedence)

The inheritance and distribution order / share / priority will change if the deceased person was a Muslim.

So, contact a practicing lawyer, discuss your details and she / he will be able to guide you in your specific situation.

 


Q : Can I take an LLB after completing my BSc?

Ans :

Yes.

  • The minimum academic eligibility for a 5 year LLB is 12th
  • The minimum academic eligibility for a 3 year LLB is a Graduation

Since LLB is a ‘Higher Degree’ of sorts, the requirement for a LLB is that the student should have another Bachelors degree. So the 5 year LLB (after +2) is a dual degree program – BA LLB / BBA LLB / BCom LLB etc.

The three year LLB needs the candidates to have a Bachelors degree (any Bachelors degree) before taking up the LLB.

There are plenty of people who take up LLB after BA / BSc / BCom etc.

Is there an advantage in LLB by graduation in any specific field ?

No.

BA / BSc / BCom / BTech / BE / MBBS – nothing that you have studied earlier will give you an edge over others in your LLB; because 85 ~ 90% of the subjects are new.

(If you have studied Company Law, Banking Law, HR Law, Labour Law or Taxation in your graduation – like in BCom, you will have to read less for those specific subjects; else everyone is in the same boat. Even if you have studied these subjects earlier, the approach will be somewhat different in LLB, so you will have to read them again.)

Irrespective of your graduation stream, you will find LLB easy to sail through if you have the following attributes :

  • Clarity in approach – why am I doing LLB ? Is my objective to pass ? or am I trying to score high grades ? – the rest of your approach will depend on the answers to these questions
  • Patience to study long and mostly boring books.
  • Pragmatic approach and understanding that it is practically impossible to study and remember everything – so learn to let go of a few things
  • Patience to write long and boring assignments and submissions
  • Patience to fill pages in the exam paper – even if you can answer a question in 1/4th of a page, you may have to fill in 2 pages to score enough to pass

In India, there are three ways to taking up an LLB course . . .

[1] Without any entrance exam (3 year / 5 year) – There are many tier-3 and some tier-2 Law Colleges across India, where admission is done on a first-come-first-admitted basis.

No entrance exam. Just meet the minimum criteria in terms of your previous academics and pay the fees.

These are proper colleges, recognized by the Bar Council and have 3 year & 5 year LLB courses, affiliated to various Universities.

They normally will not have any placement process and the other facilities also are quite basic.

But, you will get a proper LLB degree after completing the course.

These colleges are good enough if your intent is to practice Law independently – since it doesn’t matter where you get your degree; as long as it is BCI recognized.

[2] With entrance exam (3 year / 5 year) – there are tier 2 colleges that have their own entrance exam and in some states there is a common entrance exam for Law Courses across many participating colleges – tier 2 & 3.

For example, the Andhra Pradesh – AP LAWCET, Telangana – TS LAWCET, Kerala CEE , DU Law entrance exam etc.

Bulk of the seats are filled through the exams, but there will usually be a ‘Management quota’ of seats with higher fees in private colleges that participate in these common entrance process.

The Tier 3 colleges are good enough if your intent is to practice Law independently. Aim for Tier 1 / 2 colleges if you wish to pursue a corporate career.

[3] Through CLAT (5 year only) – CLAT is the common entrance exam for the National Law Schools / National Law Universities across India.

These tier 1 institutes have placement process, superb facilities and the competition for getting admission is also quite tough.

Ideal for pursuing corporate careers and you can also flaunt your pedigree when you are practicing independently.

Note : NLU Delhi and HPNLU Shimla do not participate in the CLAT as they have their own separate entrance exams.

 


Q : Can I take an LLB after completing my BSc?

Ans :

Yes.

  • The minimum academic eligibility for a 5 year LLB is 12th
  • The minimum academic eligibility for a 3 year LLB is a Graduation

Since LLB is a ‘Higher Degree’ of sorts, the requirement for a LLB is that the student should have another Bachelors degree. So the 5 year LLB (after +2) is a dual degree program – BA LLB / BBA LLB / BCom LLB etc.

The three year LLB needs the candidates to have a Bachelors degree (any Bachelors degree) before taking up the LLB.

There are plenty of people who take up LLB after BA / BSc / BCom etc.

Is there an advantage in LLB by graduation in any specific field ?

No.

BA / BSc / BCom / BTech / BE / MBBS – nothing that you have studied earlier will give you an edge over others in your LLB; because 85 ~ 90% of the subjects are new.

(If you have studied Company Law, Banking Law, Human Rights Law, Labour Law, Taxation etc. in your graduation – like in BCom, you will have to read less for those specific subjects; else everyone is in the same boat.)

Irrespective of your graduation stream, you will find LLB easy to sail through if you have the following attributes :

  • Clarity in approach – why am I doing LLB ? Is my objective to pass ? or am I trying to score high grades ? – the rest of your approach will depend on the answers to these questions
  • Patience to study long and mostly boring books.
  • Pragmatic approach and understanding that it is practically impossible to study and remember everything – so learn to let go of a few things
  • Patience to write long and boring assignments and submissions
  • A decent command over English – to read, understand, memorize and regurgitate 🙂
  • Patience to fill pages in the exam paper – even if you can answer a question in 1/4th of a page, you may have to fill in 2 pages to score enough to pass

In India, there are three ways to taking up an LLB course . . .

[1] Without any entrance exam (3 year / 5 year) – There are many tier-3 and some tier-2 Law Colleges across India, where admission is done on a first-come-first-admitted basis.

No entrance exam. Just meet the minimum criteria in terms of your previous academics and pay the fees.

These are proper colleges, recognized by the Bar Council and have 3 year & 5 year LLB courses, affiliated to various Universities.

They normally will not have any placement process and the other facilities also are quite basic.

But, you will get a proper LLB degree after completing the course.

[2] With entrance exam (3 year / 5 year) – there are tier 2 colleges that have their own entrance exam and in some states there is a common entrance exam for Law Courses across many participating colleges – tier 2 & 3.

For example, the Andhra Pradesh – AP LAWCET, Telangana – TS LAWCET, Kerala CEE , DU Law entrance exam etc.

Bulk of the seats are filled through the exams, but there will usually be a ‘Management quota’ of seats with higher fees in private colleges that participate in these common entrance process.

[3] Through CLAT (5 year only) – CLAT is the common entrance exam for the National Law Schools / National Law Universities across India.

These tier 1 institutes have placement process, superb facilities and the competition for getting admission is also quite tough.

Note : NLU Delhi and HPNLU Shimla do not participate in the CLAT as they have their own separate entrance exams.

 


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